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Underrated as in quality boutiques that aren't necessarily on everyone's radar (unlike Susman). Bonus points for actually being good places to be (unlike Boies).The Lsat Airbender wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:32 amUnderrated by whom? What "good" rating criteria are you interested in?
I think BSF is underrated at the moment because they seem (so far) to be defying expectations that they'd collapse post-Boies, but I wouldn't recommend working there to most people.
I think Susman is underrated on Vault, but I doubt you needed to be told about Susman.
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Depends on what you're looking for and what qualifies as a "boutique" for you, but a lot of clerks tend to like Patterson BelknapAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:12 pmWhich quality lit boutiques most often go under the radar? Current COA clerk looking to make sure I don't leave any good options unexplored. NY/DC preferred but open to other markets too.
Can you explain more why you wouldn't recommend working there? Seems like issues have stabilized and prospects are good.The Lsat Airbender wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:32 amI think BSF is underrated at the moment because they seem (so far) to be defying expectations that they'd collapse post-Boies, but I wouldn't recommend working there to most people.
There are no underrated lit boutiques because TLS overrates all litigation boutiques.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:12 pmWhich quality lit boutiques most often go under the radar? Current COA clerk looking to make sure I don't leave any good options unexplored. NY/DC preferred but open to other markets too.
I keep hearing that a lot of associates are slow there (and therefore getting screwed on bonuses), along with issues related to in-person attendance.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:01 pmDepends on what you're looking for and what qualifies as a "boutique" for you, but a lot of clerks tend to like Patterson BelknapAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:12 pmWhich quality lit boutiques most often go under the radar? Current COA clerk looking to make sure I don't leave any good options unexplored. NY/DC preferred but open to other markets too.
I very much would say the opposite; coming from a top boutique, it is by far the best training you can receive as a young litigator. Be careful of going to an "underrated boutique" as boutiques can vary drastically--a good litmus test is to look at chambers and vault rankings for litigation-only firms and then look at the attorneys' credentials on those firms' websites.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:37 pmThere are no underrated lit boutiques because TLS overrates all litigation boutiques.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:12 pmWhich quality lit boutiques most often go under the radar? Current COA clerk looking to make sure I don't leave any good options unexplored. NY/DC preferred but open to other markets too.
+1 to Gaddock (MTG reference?). If you are in SF and want to stay in SF, i'd definitely take a look at the above firms.gaddockteeg wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:50 pmWhat city? In SF, there's a big boutique firm culture. The firms are super selective, generally have "better" exit opportunities than big law and better substantive experiences for younger lawyers.
I know of Farella Braun, Keker, Shartsis, I forget the name but Miranda Kane's law firm, Lewis Lewellyn, Durie Tangri, Braunhagey, and Coblentz. They generally all have revolving doors to the USAO and count members of the bench as alumni.
Yetter ColemanAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 9:58 pmIf anyone is on this thread could you throw in some suggestions for Texas. I know there is Susman of course, but are there any lit type boutiques that pay biglaw or more that aren't Susman.
This is the reason the comparably prestigious big law firms in NY and DC are better avenue. Formalized training, more resources, wider array of top practice groups, maybe a top corporate department that feeds litigation work, for at least one of the V5, small rotations that give you a small firm experience. Plus, stability (I think Elsberg is now opening his own shop? lol)pointplace wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:48 pmI very much would say the opposite; coming from a top boutique, it is by far the best training you can receive as a young litigator. Be careful of going to an "underrated boutique" as boutiques can vary drastically--a good litmus test is to look at chambers and vault rankings for litigation-only firms and then look at the attorneys' credentials on those firms' websites.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:37 pmThere are no underrated lit boutiques because TLS overrates all litigation boutiques.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:12 pmWhich quality lit boutiques most often go under the radar? Current COA clerk looking to make sure I don't leave any good options unexplored. NY/DC preferred but open to other markets too.
AZAAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 9:58 pmIf anyone is on this thread could you throw in some suggestions for Texas. I know there is Susman of course, but are there any lit type boutiques that pay biglaw or more that aren't Susman.
Curious about under the radar boutiques (read: not Molo, Wilkinson, Susman, etc.) in NY and DC.gaddockteeg wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:50 pmWhat city? In SF, there's a big boutique firm culture. The firms are super selective, generally have "better" exit opportunities than big law and better substantive experiences for younger lawyers.
I know of Farella Braun, Keker, Shartsis, I forget the name but Miranda Kane's law firm, Lewis Lewellyn, Durie Tangri, Braunhagey, and Coblentz. They generally all have revolving doors to the USAO and count members of the bench as alumni.
Gibbs & BrunsAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 9:58 pmIf anyone is on this thread could you throw in some suggestions for Texas. I know there is Susman of course, but are there any lit type boutiques that pay biglaw or more that aren't Susman.
Hah yes, I don't actually know anything about the game though. It was a running joke among some friends a long time ago that I look like that character (I obv disagree).hangtime813 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:27 pm+1 to Gaddock (MTG reference?). If you are in SF and want to stay in SF, i'd definitely take a look at the above firms.gaddockteeg wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:50 pmWhat city? In SF, there's a big boutique firm culture. The firms are super selective, generally have "better" exit opportunities than big law and better substantive experiences for younger lawyers.
I know of Farella Braun, Keker, Shartsis, I forget the name but Miranda Kane's law firm, Lewis Lewellyn, Durie Tangri, Braunhagey, and Coblentz. They generally all have revolving doors to the USAO and count members of the bench as alumni.
DC and NY do not have the same boutique culture as in SF/LA.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:19 amCurious about under the radar boutiques (read: not Molo, Wilkinson, Susman, etc.) in NY and DC.gaddockteeg wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:50 pmWhat city? In SF, there's a big boutique firm culture. The firms are super selective, generally have "better" exit opportunities than big law and better substantive experiences for younger lawyers.
I know of Farella Braun, Keker, Shartsis, I forget the name but Miranda Kane's law firm, Lewis Lewellyn, Durie Tangri, Braunhagey, and Coblentz. They generally all have revolving doors to the USAO and count members of the bench as alumni.
Many consider Susman and Kellogg the two best boutiques and they're in NY and DC. Then there's Molo, Wilkinson, and others with presences in both cities. DC has many respected political / appellate boutiques.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:19 pmDC and NY do not have the same boutique culture as in SF/LA.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:19 amCurious about under the radar boutiques (read: not Molo, Wilkinson, Susman, etc.) in NY and DC.gaddockteeg wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:50 pmWhat city? In SF, there's a big boutique firm culture. The firms are super selective, generally have "better" exit opportunities than big law and better substantive experiences for younger lawyers.
I know of Farella Braun, Keker, Shartsis, I forget the name but Miranda Kane's law firm, Lewis Lewellyn, Durie Tangri, Braunhagey, and Coblentz. They generally all have revolving doors to the USAO and count members of the bench as alumni.